Comments on: Chris Taylor on the Air Force One Fly-By http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/ Joey deVilla's Personal Blog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: GmachGforce http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-27456 GmachGforce Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:26:17 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-27456 The airplane seen is the equivalent of Airforce 1, there are 5 of these advanced aircraft and only 1 in the air at any one time, they are a completely different boeing aircraft design and specially modified. If the US admin or joint cheifs, president etc get "taken out" the intire US command and its current empire can still exist no matter where on this planet from anyone of these aircraft. Its the ultimate paranoia. Need more info check out Aaron Russo! The airplane seen is the equivalent of Airforce 1, there are 5 of these advanced aircraft and only 1 in the air at any one time, they are a completely different boeing aircraft design and specially modified.
If the US admin or joint cheifs, president etc get “taken out” the intire US command and its current empire can still exist no matter where on this planet from anyone of these aircraft. Its the ultimate paranoia. Need more info check out Aaron Russo!

]]> By: MrJimm http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24162 MrJimm Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:29:59 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24162 Nah - the SIMPLEST explanation is the White House was paying back a big bunch of fat-cat campaign donors by giving them a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity, and the "photo-0p" is either (1) each of them being able to shoot the Statue of Liberty close up from the air, or (2) a ground level cameraman taking souvenir photos for the fat-cats. Why else all the secrecy?? Nice to know my hard-earned tax dollars are being used for political purposes. Think they'll release the passenger list? Certainly not if they're not asked to, and the White House Press Corps isn't likely to, either. Nah – the SIMPLEST explanation is the White House was paying back a big bunch of fat-cat campaign donors by giving them a “once-in-a-lifetime” opportunity, and the “photo-0p” is either (1) each of them being able to shoot the Statue of Liberty close up from the air, or (2) a ground level cameraman taking souvenir photos for the fat-cats. Why else all the secrecy??

Nice to know my hard-earned tax dollars are being used for political purposes. Think they’ll release the passenger list? Certainly not if they’re not asked to, and the White House Press Corps isn’t likely to, either.

]]> By: crammy http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24161 crammy Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:40:44 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24161 someone needs to FOIA all the photos from the fighter jet right away. then, zoom in on them to see if you can make out the panicked people running away.... someone needs to FOIA all the photos from the fighter jet right away.

then, zoom in on them to see if you can make out the panicked people running away….

]]> By: fsxmissionguy http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24159 fsxmissionguy Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:39:34 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24159 "... why not make a big announcement about it and treat it as a mini-air show?" Then what happens if, God forbid, a bird strike takes out the engines and Air Force One is forced to crash land into the Hudson River. Nah, that could never happen? Right? “… why not make a big announcement about it and treat it as a mini-air show?”

Then what happens if, God forbid, a bird strike takes out the engines and Air Force One is forced to crash land into the Hudson River.

Nah, that could never happen?

Right?

]]> By: beb http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24157 beb Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:04:18 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24157 Maybe Obama wanted to demonstrate to the Taliban, Iran, Syria, Chavez etc. that we are so sorry for our wicked ways of the past that we are willing to provide them with a cheap laugh? Maybe their planning a fake flooding of New Orleans next? That's going to be a laugh riot in Tehran. Maybe Obama wanted to demonstrate to the Taliban, Iran, Syria, Chavez etc. that we are so sorry for our wicked ways of the past that we are willing to provide them with a cheap laugh?

Maybe their planning a fake flooding of New Orleans next? That’s going to be a laugh riot in Tehran.

]]> By: Craig http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24153 Craig Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:13:48 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24153 I really doubt that the F-16 was the camera plane, for all the reasons you mention. If we ever get to see the photos I predict they will have been taken from some vantage point on the ground which put the aircraft and Lady Liberty together nicely in the frame. Great point about the missing NOTAM. I really doubt that the F-16 was the camera plane, for all the reasons you mention. If we ever get to see the photos I predict they will have been taken from some vantage point on the ground which put the aircraft and Lady Liberty together nicely in the frame.

Great point about the missing NOTAM.

]]> By: The Plane Truth | Little Miss Attila http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24152 The Plane Truth | Little Miss Attila Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:12:22 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24152 [...] Via Insty, Joey Devilla has some thoughts about this; I agree. If people in New York and New Jersey had been prepared, it could have been a mini [...] [...] Via Insty, Joey Devilla has some thoughts about this; I agree. If people in New York and New Jersey had been prepared, it could have been a mini [...]

]]> By: Flight-ER-Doc http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24149 Flight-ER-Doc Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:48:07 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24149 There are 2-seat F16 variants: The F-16B and -D. The USAF Aerial Demonstration Team (The Thunderbirds) flies the 2 seat models, so they can give rides to the media. The 2-seat model is also used for flight training. It doesn't surprise me that the Capital ANG wing has the 2-seat models (at least in part), so that they can give rides to the hill people. There are 2-seat F16 variants: The F-16B and -D.

The USAF Aerial Demonstration Team (The Thunderbirds) flies the 2 seat models, so they can give rides to the media. The 2-seat model is also used for flight training. It doesn’t surprise me that the Capital ANG wing has the 2-seat models (at least in part), so that they can give rides to the hill people.

]]> By: Chris Taylor http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24145 Chris Taylor Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:51:45 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24145 From what I could tell of the LiveATC audio, the VC-25 (Venus 1 Heavy) identified that its F-16 escort would remain with it in the Liberty TFR and then revert to its own flight plan and callsign (Capital 92). Capital is the "house" callsign of 113th Fighter Wing (DC ANG), out of Andrews AFB. They do fly the F-16, but don't typically sport an all-red tail. My guess is that that particular bird was their air demo bird, kitted up to look pretty for the summer air show circuit. From what I could tell of the LiveATC audio, the VC-25 (Venus 1 Heavy) identified that its F-16 escort would remain with it in the Liberty TFR and then revert to its own flight plan and callsign (Capital 92). Capital is the “house” callsign of 113th Fighter Wing (DC ANG), out of Andrews AFB. They do fly the F-16, but don’t typically sport an all-red tail. My guess is that that particular bird was their air demo bird, kitted up to look pretty for the summer air show circuit.

]]> By: Jem http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24143 Jem Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:30:23 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24143 The current descendant organization of the Tuskegee Airmen is in Iraq (it's the Expeditionary Wing with responsibility for most of the Air Force personnel stationed there). They have a variety of aircraft types and are not painted up as "Red Tails". The current descendant organization of the Tuskegee Airmen is in Iraq (it’s the Expeditionary Wing with responsibility for most of the Air Force personnel stationed there). They have a variety of aircraft types and are not painted up as “Red Tails”.

]]> By: The Cat Herder http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24142 The Cat Herder Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:23:30 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24142 "I’d see if I could get a team like the Blue Angels (they’re Navy – who’s the Air Force equivalent?)" I believe you're thinking of the <a href="http://thunderbirds.airforce.com/" rel="nofollow">Thunderbirds</a>. “I’d see if I could get a team like the Blue Angels (they’re Navy – who’s the Air Force equivalent?)”

I believe you’re thinking of the Thunderbirds.

]]> By: RM3 frisker FTN http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24141 RM3 frisker FTN Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:57:48 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24141 Hollywood Payback? "Just One Minute" blog commentator "Mustang0302" connects some dots: (1) an Alabama Air National Guard "Red Tail" F-16 was an escort (2) the Tuskegee Airmen were known as the "Red Tail Angels" (3) the "Red Tails" Hollywood film about the Tuskegee Airmen is due out this summer "Mustang0302" speculates this was a Hollywood inspired photo-shoot, with living descendants of the Tuskegee Airmen onboard AF1, escorted by the Air Force's organizational descendants of the Tuskegee Airmen, flying over NYC (where that yicky inconvenient 9/11 Islamo-Fascist homophobic thingy happened) to gather powerful, beautiful imagery of these aircraft to be played during closing credits, accompanied by a stirring soundtrack. Hollywood Payback?

“Just One Minute” blog commentator “Mustang0302″ connects some dots:
(1) an Alabama Air National Guard “Red Tail” F-16 was an escort
(2) the Tuskegee Airmen were known as the “Red Tail Angels”
(3) the “Red Tails” Hollywood film about the Tuskegee Airmen is due out this summer

“Mustang0302″ speculates this was a Hollywood inspired photo-shoot, with living descendants of the Tuskegee Airmen onboard AF1, escorted by the Air Force’s organizational descendants of the Tuskegee Airmen, flying over NYC (where that yicky inconvenient 9/11 Islamo-Fascist homophobic thingy happened) to gather powerful, beautiful imagery of these aircraft to be played during closing credits, accompanied by a stirring soundtrack.

]]> By: dorkafork http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24140 dorkafork Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:42:02 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24140 And if you were to announce that President would <em>not</em> be on board, as he apparently wasn't for the recent flyby, you'd have a whole lot fewer worries about security, wouldn't you? What idiot is going to try and shoot down that plane when the President's not on board? I keep finding new reasons to slap my forehead over this idiocy. Forget "Planegate", let's call this "Air Farce One". And if you were to announce that President would not be on board, as he apparently wasn’t for the recent flyby, you’d have a whole lot fewer worries about security, wouldn’t you? What idiot is going to try and shoot down that plane when the President’s not on board?

I keep finding new reasons to slap my forehead over this idiocy. Forget “Planegate”, let’s call this “Air Farce One”.

]]> By: Bryan Frymire http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24139 Bryan Frymire Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:28:17 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24139 The Air Force acrobatic flying team is the "Thunderbirds". The Air Force acrobatic flying team is the “Thunderbirds”.

]]> By: Blacque Jacques Shellacque http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24137 Blacque Jacques Shellacque Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:22:41 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24137 <i>(they’re Navy – who’s the Air Force equivalent?)</i> That would be the <a href="http://thunderbirds.airforce.com/" rel="nofollow">Thunderbirds</a>. (they’re Navy – who’s the Air Force equivalent?)

That would be the Thunderbirds.

]]> By: Joe B. http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24136 Joe B. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:13:34 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24136 The Air Force equivalent of the Blue Angels are the Thunderbirds. They fly F-16s. The Air Force equivalent of the Blue Angels are the Thunderbirds. They fly F-16s.

]]> By: Instapundit » Blog Archive » THE COUNTRY’S IN THE VERY BEST OF HANDS: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic, Proceeded Anyway…. http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24133 Instapundit » Blog Archive » THE COUNTRY’S IN THE VERY BEST OF HANDS: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic, Proceeded Anyway…. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:07:26 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24133 [...] Mortimer writes: “Is it too early to call it ‘Planegate’ yet?” Plus, more questions and a cool photo. And lawhawk has further [...] [...] Mortimer writes: “Is it too early to call it ‘Planegate’ yet?” Plus, more questions and a cool photo. And lawhawk has further [...]

]]> By: Instapundit » Blog Archive » THE COUNTRY’S IN THE VERY BEST OF HANDS: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic, Proceeded Anyway…. http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24134 Instapundit » Blog Archive » THE COUNTRY’S IN THE VERY BEST OF HANDS: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic, Proceeded Anyway…. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:07:26 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24134 [...] Mortimer writes: “Is it too early to call it ‘Planegate’ yet?” Plus, more questions and a cool photo. And lawhawk has further [...] [...] Mortimer writes: “Is it too early to call it ‘Planegate’ yet?” Plus, more questions and a cool photo. And lawhawk has further [...]

]]> By: Chris Taylor http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/comment-page-1/#comment-24127 Chris Taylor Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:00:27 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2009/04/28/chris-taylor-on-the-air-force-one-fly-by/#comment-24127 Thanks for the link, and the reprint. There was a similar photo op in Washington a few years ago, involving much smaller craft (I believe it was a VC-20), but it was also flying inside the Washington TFR with a couple escorts. The difference is that it was well-publicised in the press beforehand and no one freaked out. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that it sounds like somebody (not Obama, maybe a junior relative of a Cabinet secretary) were aboard, necessitating the elevated security. They just took the "photo opportunity" as a chance for to ride-along on a regular VC-25 + escort training mission. A convenient sightseeing trip. But the simplest explanation is that no one in the White House, FAA and Air Force realised that New York City would lose its mind over something like that. There are probably a lot of NYC dwellers who are walking wounded, having a sort of PTSD where planes being in unusual places at unusual times = TERROR FROM THE SKIES! And I kind of understand that. About eleven years ago my former house got broken into (while I was asleep upstairs), and lemme tell you, nothing makes an impression on you like waking up to find burly guys tearing your room apart, not realising that you are still there. For a long time afterward, every little sound in the wee hours of the night was a harbinger of burglary. I don't worry about it now, but I know it can take a while to come off that level of anxiety. I understand they have cancelled a <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/04/27/dc-photo-op-cancelled-in-wake-of-new-york-scare/?mod=rss_WSJBlog" rel="nofollow">similar</a> VC-25 flight around Washington, which is too bad. It's not the plane which is the scary factor, it's not having any prior information about what it's doing and why. Thanks for the link, and the reprint.

There was a similar photo op in Washington a few years ago, involving much smaller craft (I believe it was a VC-20), but it was also flying inside the Washington TFR with a couple escorts. The difference is that it was well-publicised in the press beforehand and no one freaked out.

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that it sounds like somebody (not Obama, maybe a junior relative of a Cabinet secretary) were aboard, necessitating the elevated security. They just took the “photo opportunity” as a chance for to ride-along on a regular VC-25 + escort training mission. A convenient sightseeing trip.

But the simplest explanation is that no one in the White House, FAA and Air Force realised that New York City would lose its mind over something like that. There are probably a lot of NYC dwellers who are walking wounded, having a sort of PTSD where planes being in unusual places at unusual times = TERROR FROM THE SKIES! And I kind of understand that.

About eleven years ago my former house got broken into (while I was asleep upstairs), and lemme tell you, nothing makes an impression on you like waking up to find burly guys tearing your room apart, not realising that you are still there. For a long time afterward, every little sound in the wee hours of the night was a harbinger of burglary. I don’t worry about it now, but I know it can take a while to come off that level of anxiety.

I understand they have cancelled a similar VC-25 flight around Washington, which is too bad. It’s not the plane which is the scary factor, it’s not having any prior information about what it’s doing and why.

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