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		<title>By: Chet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amusingly, the style guidelines for men in re: shirts &amp; suits are actually incorrect. 

A button-down shirt is a very informal shirt choice, and is inappropriate with a suit. If you&#039;re going for the fine threads, wear a non-button-collar shirt with or without a tie. Doubt me? Check with a good men&#039;s shop, or even the fashion pages of a reputable mag (no, Maxim doesn&#039;t count). 

Button-downs are fine with jeans, chinos, or other informal deployments, and can rock a tie just fine in the blazer-and-pants mode, but with a suit you need spread or full collar even without a tie. 

All that said, if you&#039;re going to go suit-and-no-tie, I can almost see getting away with a NICE button down (oxfordcloth won&#039;t cut it; go pima or some other smooth cotton), but it&#039;s an iffy thing I&#039;d reserve for wardrobe-limited moments (e.g., travel). The idea that a button down under a suit NEEDS a tie is just wacky; frankly, it makes you look like you don&#039;t know how to dress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amusingly, the style guidelines for men in re: shirts &amp; suits are actually incorrect. </p>
<p>A button-down shirt is a very informal shirt choice, and is inappropriate with a suit. If you&#8217;re going for the fine threads, wear a non-button-collar shirt with or without a tie. Doubt me? Check with a good men&#8217;s shop, or even the fashion pages of a reputable mag (no, Maxim doesn&#8217;t count). </p>
<p>Button-downs are fine with jeans, chinos, or other informal deployments, and can rock a tie just fine in the blazer-and-pants mode, but with a suit you need spread or full collar even without a tie. </p>
<p>All that said, if you&#8217;re going to go suit-and-no-tie, I can almost see getting away with a NICE button down (oxfordcloth won&#8217;t cut it; go pima or some other smooth cotton), but it&#8217;s an iffy thing I&#8217;d reserve for wardrobe-limited moments (e.g., travel). The idea that a button down under a suit NEEDS a tie is just wacky; frankly, it makes you look like you don&#8217;t know how to dress.</p>
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		<title>By: AKMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AKMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone named Angela work at this office? Do they sell paper products?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone named Angela work at this office? Do they sell paper products?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacquilynne is 100% correct.  If it&#039;s formal for women, it&#039;s formal for guys... and barring certain exceptions for national/traditional attire, formal means tie and jacket--neither is optional.

If one wanted to be a real jackass, Noel could wear open-toe sandals to the party, along with his suit and tie.  They made a boo-boo by not specifying sock type and footwear.

Or take it to the logical extreme by inquiring with the social committee about recommended undergarment types/fabrics (i.e. boxers vs. briefs, tank-top vs. t-shirt, v-neck vs. crew neck, silk vs. cotton, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacquilynne is 100% correct.  If it&#8217;s formal for women, it&#8217;s formal for guys&#8230; and barring certain exceptions for national/traditional attire, formal means tie and jacket&#8211;neither is optional.</p>
<p>If one wanted to be a real jackass, Noel could wear open-toe sandals to the party, along with his suit and tie.  They made a boo-boo by not specifying sock type and footwear.</p>
<p>Or take it to the logical extreme by inquiring with the social committee about recommended undergarment types/fabrics (i.e. boxers vs. briefs, tank-top vs. t-shirt, v-neck vs. crew neck, silk vs. cotton, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the kicker for me was the &quot;...filed under Sad/Work&quot; tags!! HAHAHAHAHA!!

What a laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the kicker for me was the &#8220;&#8230;filed under Sad/Work&#8221; tags!! HAHAHAHAHA!!</p>
<p>What a laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Noel&#039;s Social Committee was checking fiber content at the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Noel&#8217;s Social Committee was checking fiber content at the door.</p>
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		<title>By: coronah</title>
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		<dc:creator>coronah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i meant to post this in my earlier comment but Noel should really submit that social committee email to 
http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i meant to post this in my earlier comment but Noel should really submit that social committee email to<br />
<a href="http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaveP</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other possibility that springs to mind is somebody got tired of explaining to clueless geeks (there are some) that &quot;semi-formal does NOT mean &#039;clean jeans and your tuxedo T-shirt&#039;.&quot;

At least it&#039;s better than the notice I got for a recent dinner. Our team was gathering at corporate HQ, and we were told &quot;It&#039;ll be at [a nice place] so prepare to dress up a bit.&quot; Unfortunately, that email went out on Monday afternoon, while all the people coming in from out of town were already on airplanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other possibility that springs to mind is somebody got tired of explaining to clueless geeks (there are some) that &#8220;semi-formal does NOT mean &#8216;clean jeans and your tuxedo T-shirt&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>At least it&#8217;s better than the notice I got for a recent dinner. Our team was gathering at corporate HQ, and we were told &#8220;It&#8217;ll be at [a nice place] so prepare to dress up a bit.&#8221; Unfortunately, that email went out on Monday afternoon, while all the people coming in from out of town were already on airplanes.</p>
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		<title>By: coronah</title>
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		<dc:creator>coronah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i worked at that office i would either boycott the party or rebel completley and show up in flannel pjs. horrible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i worked at that office i would either boycott the party or rebel completley and show up in flannel pjs. horrible!</p>
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		<title>By: Joey deVilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey deVilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Maria:&lt;/strong&gt; I know it&#039;s going to cost me some &quot;Straight Cred&quot; to say this, but polyester&#039;s image got rehabilitated a little bit in the &#039;90&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Maria:</strong> I know it&#8217;s going to cost me some &#8220;Straight Cred&#8221; to say this, but polyester&#8217;s image got rehabilitated a little bit in the &#8217;90&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey deVilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey deVilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Jacquilynne:&lt;/strong&gt; I noticed that too. The mens&#039; requirement &quot;Dress shirt (with or without tie) with dress pants&quot; sounds pretty much like the standard office dress code.

The disparity is odd considering that in most cases, the Social Committee at most workplaces is mostly (if not entirely) women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Jacquilynne:</strong> I noticed that too. The mens&#8217; requirement &#8220;Dress shirt (with or without tie) with dress pants&#8221; sounds pretty much like the standard office dress code.</p>
<p>The disparity is odd considering that in most cases, the Social Committee at most workplaces is mostly (if not entirely) women.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes me sad that polyester is in a memo that came out in 2007!! eeeeew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me sad that polyester is in a memo that came out in 2007!! eeeeew!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria, polyester is (can be) &lt;em&gt;shiny&lt;/em&gt;.  So of course it is appropriate for the holidays.  ;)

Makes me sad that they don&#039;t trust their co-workers to dress appropriately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria, polyester is (can be) <em>shiny</em>.  So of course it is appropriate for the holidays.  <img src='http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Makes me sad that they don&#8217;t trust their co-workers to dress appropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polyester! WTF???</description>
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		<title>By: Jacquilynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacquilynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s more ridiculous about that list than anything else is that the requirements for men and women are two  different levels of formality. At the level of formality they&#039;ve dictated for women, men should all be wearing proper suits in a dark colour, and the tie shouldn&#039;t be optional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s more ridiculous about that list than anything else is that the requirements for men and women are two  different levels of formality. At the level of formality they&#8217;ve dictated for women, men should all be wearing proper suits in a dark colour, and the tie shouldn&#8217;t be optional.</p>
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