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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18918 Anonymous Mon, 31 May 2004 03:04:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18918 Gideon: My point exactly! Gideon:
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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18917 Anonymous Mon, 31 May 2004 00:08:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18917 Richard > Rick: Dutch-style proportional representation certainly gives one a wider range of choices than Canadians have at the moment. I don't think the challenges of Italian politics can be blamed entirely on their electoral system ... Joey: Your remark about David calling Canada a Disneyland "dictatorship" and Kathy calling Canada a "banana republic with snow" reminds me of one of my earliest experiences with Canadian politics - some or other Vancouver student politician calling the Chretien government "fascist" in 1998. I am always really, really irked by Canadians on the Right and the Left who indulge in that kind of hyperbole. It demeans the experience of people who endure(d) life in REAL dictatorships, banana republics, and fascist states, and it makes it impossible to talk seriously and intelligently about the fine nuances of politics in a constitutional democracy. Heck, there <em>are </em> things about Canadian politics and Canadian culture that I find Bad with a Big B, but for a banana republic dictatorship experience, go work for a newspaper in Zimbabwe or for a labour union in Colombia for a few years! Richard > Rick: Dutch-style proportional representation certainly gives one a wider range of choices than Canadians have at the moment. I don’t think the challenges of Italian politics can be blamed entirely on their electoral system …
Joey: Your remark about David calling Canada a Disneyland “dictatorship” and Kathy calling Canada a “banana republic with snow” reminds me of one of my earliest experiences with Canadian politics – some or other Vancouver student politician calling the Chretien government “fascist” in 1998. I am always really, really irked by Canadians on the Right and the Left who indulge in that kind of hyperbole. It demeans the experience of people who endure(d) life in REAL dictatorships, banana republics, and fascist states, and it makes it impossible to talk seriously and intelligently about the fine nuances of politics in a constitutional democracy. Heck, there are things about Canadian politics and Canadian culture that I find Bad with a Big B, but for a banana republic dictatorship experience, go work for a newspaper in Zimbabwe or for a labour union in Colombia for a few years!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18916 Anonymous Thu, 27 May 2004 17:27:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18916 I can't say I'm in love with everything about the Liberals. They've sure got their share of problems, and could use a wake up call. Whatever I think of the Liberals, I'm freightened to imagine Harper in charge - or even with too much power. I remember watching debates for the Conservative leadership and that he struck me as being a real jerk. I paint him as a anti-abortion, conservative religious, very Bush-like (even the cowboy mentality), who is ready and willing to stand with the Americans on any issue solely because we're allies. And what's the platform? Less government and taxes? A fend-for-yourself American-style system of healthcare/gov't/etc? I like the US and have a lot of respect for what they have, but Harper seems like the Bloc Qu I can’t say I’m in love with everything about the Liberals. They’ve sure got their share of problems, and could use a wake up call. Whatever I think of the Liberals, I’m freightened to imagine Harper in charge – or even with too much power.
I remember watching debates for the Conservative leadership and that he struck me as being a real jerk. I paint him as a anti-abortion, conservative religious, very Bush-like (even the cowboy mentality), who is ready and willing to stand with the Americans on any issue solely because we’re allies. And what’s the platform? Less government and taxes? A fend-for-yourself American-style system of healthcare/gov’t/etc? I like the US and have a lot of respect for what they have, but Harper seems like the Bloc Qu

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18915 Anonymous Thu, 27 May 2004 04:00:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18915 Vote Green Vote Green

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18914 Anonymous Thu, 27 May 2004 03:44:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18914 Joey, I completely agree with you...the <a href="http://www.blocquebecois.org/" rel="nofollow">Bloc Qu Joey, I completely agree with you…the Bloc Qu

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18913 Anonymous Wed, 26 May 2004 22:15:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18913 <blockquote>More political parties sounds nice in principal - the reality is Italy</blockquote> Italy is one of the examples but so is the Netherlands and there political landscape is lot less quite than Italy. Having more political parties works there. And having lived in Netherlands many years, I think that the Canadian character has certainly a lot more in common with the Dutch than the Italian so I don't know why it would not work here. Having said that, you could have too many. I just wished there was an alternative so that every party knew that they could not sit back but that they have to be on their toes all the time. The fact that Liberals will still be the biggest party after the elections despite the recent scandal just proofs that point.

More political parties sounds nice in principal – the reality is Italy

Italy is one of the examples but so is the Netherlands and there political landscape is lot less quite than Italy. Having more political parties works there. And having lived in Netherlands many years, I think that the Canadian character has certainly a lot more in common with the Dutch than the Italian so I don’t know why it would not work here.
Having said that, you could have too many. I just wished there was an alternative so that every party knew that they could not sit back but that they have to be on their toes all the time. The fact that Liberals will still be the biggest party after the elections despite the recent scandal just proofs that point.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18912 Anonymous Wed, 26 May 2004 20:04:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18912 More political parties sounds nice in principal - the reality is Italy. I'm sorry, but I like the starkness of our political choices - it makes you really consider what you think is a priority. That is if you vote - if you don't you can respectfully go stick your head where you keep the shrivelled remains of your franchise. (Sorry, I get pretty pissed about this sort of thing.) As for your dad's "vote Liberal or call yourself Villa-less", I'm sorry but I just hear your dad doing what the Liberals rely on all recent or onetime immigrants to do - support their party as a matter of faith, without really questioning what they really do or stand for. My family were Liberal for years, NDP before that, and CCF before that (my grandfather was treasurer for the local CCF candidate during the Depression), but this might be the year I go Tory, just because I won't reward the Liberals for sponsorship (or military de-funding, or a hundred lies, or their Quebec policies, or...), and my blood runs cold whenever I look at Jack Layton. More political parties sounds nice in principal – the reality is Italy. I’m sorry, but I like the starkness of our political choices – it makes you really consider what you think is a priority. That is if you vote – if you don’t you can respectfully go stick your head where you keep the shrivelled remains of your franchise. (Sorry, I get pretty pissed about this sort of thing.)
As for your dad’s “vote Liberal or call yourself Villa-less”, I’m sorry but I just hear your dad doing what the Liberals rely on all recent or onetime immigrants to do – support their party as a matter of faith, without really questioning what they really do or stand for. My family were Liberal for years, NDP before that, and CCF before that (my grandfather was treasurer for the local CCF candidate during the Depression), but this might be the year I go Tory, just because I won’t reward the Liberals for sponsorship (or military de-funding, or a hundred lies, or their Quebec policies, or…), and my blood runs cold whenever I look at Jack Layton.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18911 Anonymous Wed, 26 May 2004 16:25:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18911 The relentless focus on "The Leader" obscures the fact that you can't vote for Prime Minister, you can only vote for your MP. In your case Joey, you can choose (you're in Trinity-Spadina, right?) between Olivia Chow (NDP), who has been actively involved in the community for years, or Tony Ianno (Gliberal) who has one of the worst attendance records in the current Parliament. Instead of looking at the party, you should choose on the basis of who would best represent your interests as an MP. Considering how badly Gliberal MPs have treated Accordion City, why should you reward abuse? The relentless focus on “The Leader” obscures the fact that you can’t vote for Prime Minister, you can only vote for your MP. In your case Joey, you can choose (you’re in Trinity-Spadina, right?) between Olivia Chow (NDP), who has been actively involved in the community for years, or Tony Ianno (Gliberal) who has one of the worst attendance records in the current Parliament.
Instead of looking at the party, you should choose on the basis of who would best represent your interests as an MP. Considering how badly Gliberal MPs have treated Accordion City, why should you reward abuse?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18910 Anonymous Wed, 26 May 2004 14:56:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18910 double post because I got an error message after I pressed 'Post'... double post because I got an error message after I pressed ‘Post’…

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18909 Anonymous Wed, 26 May 2004 14:53:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18909 Elections are simple (well in principle they are...) You just vote for the party that you think will represent you and your ideas the best. Personally I don't consider myself conservative and I can not imagine that I would vote for the Conservatives. I would like to see the NDP more more to the middle so it would attract more voters. I don't think it would be bad if we would end up with the liberal minority since after all the scandals, it's time to put them back on earth. Unfortunately, the Canadian democracy doesn't offer many choices (almost as bad as the Americans...). I wish there would be more political parties since there is not a real alternative for the liberals which is why they will always be a big power. I think that there are plenty of people who are going to vote for Liberals again even if they were not happy with them... Elections are simple (well in principle they are…) You just vote for the party that you think will represent you and your ideas the best.
Personally I don’t consider myself conservative and I can not imagine that I would vote for the Conservatives. I would like to see the NDP more more to the middle so it would attract more voters. I don’t think it would be bad if we would end up with the liberal minority since after all the scandals, it’s time to put them back on earth.
Unfortunately, the Canadian democracy doesn’t offer many choices (almost as bad as the Americans…). I wish there would be more political parties since there is not a real alternative for the liberals which is why they will always be a big power. I think that there are plenty of people who are going to vote for Liberals again even if they were not happy with them…

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18908 Anonymous Wed, 26 May 2004 14:26:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18908 So far this election campaign, I don't want to vote for any of them. They spend all their air-time arguing about who loves health care the most, and calling each other names. Except for the Bloc that is, but I don't think you folks in Toronto are likely to vote for them. The liberal line "Stephen Harper wants to do to Canada what Mike Harris did to Ontario" rings true to me. That does seem to be what he wants to do. And then there's the whole Iraq war thing. Harper is a bit too "gung-ho" on military intervention for my taste. That he tries to hide it is even worse. Some of the Conservative criticism of Paul Martin is roughly on target, too. He does seem to have a habit of making grandiose speeches full of empty promises. But then, they all do that. It's a relatively harmless habit. I kinda like the NDP. They're so... democratic. They don't have a rigid, simple-minded party dogma, which seems to be the substance of your shot at them. But I do seem to remember that they make a pretty decent opposition party in parliament. I think it's probably best if the Liberals win again, though I'm not sure if I'll go so far as to actually vote for them. _ So far this election campaign, I don’t want to vote for any of them. They spend all their air-time arguing about who loves health care the most, and calling each other names. Except for the Bloc that is, but I don’t think you folks in Toronto are likely to vote for them.
The liberal line “Stephen Harper wants to do to Canada what Mike Harris did to Ontario” rings true to me. That does seem to be what he wants to do. And then there’s the whole Iraq war thing. Harper is a bit too “gung-ho” on military intervention for my taste. That he tries to hide it is even worse.
Some of the Conservative criticism of Paul Martin is roughly on target, too. He does seem to have a habit of making grandiose speeches full of empty promises. But then, they all do that. It’s a relatively harmless habit.
I kinda like the NDP. They’re so… democratic. They don’t have a rigid, simple-minded party dogma, which seems to be the substance of your shot at them. But I do seem to remember that they make a pretty decent opposition party in parliament.
I think it’s probably best if the Liberals win again, though I’m not sure if I’ll go so far as to actually vote for them.
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]]> By: Anonymous http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/comment-page-1/#comment-18907 Anonymous Wed, 26 May 2004 11:07:00 +0000 http://www.joeydevilla.com/2004/05/26/it-must-be-election-time/#comment-18907 sponsorship scandal, hrdc waste, gun registry waste,... can't stand gov't waste!?... by the way, loved your Canadiana post ('almost 30 years later...')... ~<a href="http://www.freddie.ca" rel="nofollow">Freddie</a>! sponsorship scandal, hrdc waste, gun registry waste,… can’t stand gov’t waste!?… by the way, loved your Canadiana post (’almost 30 years later…’)…
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